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Over the past year some have complained about the size of the hunting area on the maps that we hunt.  Some would rather small, some medium and some large would rather large maps.  Here is your chance to let your opinion count and hopefully to make your hunts more enjoyable.

the map size don't matter to me, i just want to know where you staked out the trophy bucks.  LOL

Just bumping this back to the top, so people can get there votes in before the poll closes.

Just another ^       http:///Forum/Smileys/default/

The poll is open again, somehow it got locked, if you tried to vote and couldn't you should be able to now.

so, is  it decided what size maps are going to be used for the 05 tournies? 

Being that 75% of the poll was for 300 and larger, we are staying with the original change that was indicated.

Most of the hunts will be 300 gap or larger maps, with occasional smaller maps at the discretion of the Admins.

I think that this vote is not real -  it can not be 1650 people, registered in the site, to decided the map size, if the last games we played only 6-10 people in dh2005.  I think that these 1650 people must play at least 1 hour a day and send their results in the end of the week, to have a rights to vote. I suggest the players  participated in the hunt the last 20-30 weeks to have a rights to vote. Let the vote is open in forum, and each of players  to explain why he decided for that.  About the new players and these, who scared to send the results - don`t be afraid, play and participate in this wonderful game. Good luck for all

I think that the maps must be small, because for all of us, there is not enough of time and we now that he big maps demand more time. I think that 1-2 hours a day in the game must be enough for good results at the end of the week. In the big maps I must to enter many times for a few minutes.

I think you're right one shot. And i think all notice that 2 months ago we was more than 10 people hunting 05, now we are only 6-7. The map size doesn't count so much, only supe large maps with 300 or more gap are boring, i think that hunt are too complicated if we hunt in large maps. ;D

I cant agree with you on haveing smaller maps to hunt on.
Even though its more time consuming, its a bigger challenge to hunt on a bigger map.
The winner of the weekly hunts dont have to get a 260+ Mule buck every time its Muledeer as a objective.
Even if a 229 non-typ wins one of the weekly hunts its fine by me.
This is  just a game and it should be fun to play it and its great when you get monster deers every week.
But i think its more fun if i get a 230+ Whitetail on a map with a worldgap between 1-300 then a 400 wg map.
And about the poll. I dont think that many members beside us in the weekly hunts voted.

Ok Timberwolf. But you say "this is just a game and it should to be fun". To be fun a game mustn't be boring and complicated. A funny game must be "easy" not in difficulty, it must be easy to bag trophies, like for real. And for people who works 10 hours a day, they can't play 4 hours a day. This is only what I think...  :) :) :) 

I cannot agree with that. To load in the center of a small map where you can see the boundaries on all sides, and just load, and load, and load for a week is the most boring thing I can think of. Even if you do take large trophies, it's nothing like real hunting. I've always advocated hunts where you have to move, and stalk, and exercise some skill with different weapons. Most can't even use a bow except a crossbow with a scope. Be willing to learn something new and accept new challenges.
Hunt with something the bullet cam doesn't work with and learn to track if you don't make a clean kill. That's what real hunting is like.
Just my opinion......

As for the poll, the people who voted ARE the people who hunt the tournaments. The other 1620 could care less.

There is a simple solution to just about everything if one takes the time to sit back, think and do the research of what it is.  I have just spent the last three weeks, of my spare time, testing many maps and figured out it is NOT the size of the map, it is the sight distance the maker uses in making them.  This following table should be of help for map makers to make what I call Quality Tournament maps.  Look it over (if you are a map maker) and let me know if you agree or disagree because we are not going to fight over what we use for maps here at the site for tournaments.  If you make a map with the max view of only 260 yards in most locations then gap it small, if you make one and can see over 500 yards then gap it large. If you want your maps used in the tournaments here, then go by the following table as that is what I will be using for the weekly tournaments, as long as I am dh2005 Administrator.  A small map can be just as hard of a challenge as a large map, it's all in the sight distance, as the stock maps have proven.
Size and sight distance for making quality tournament maps.

World Gap:          Max View:
Small 400 to 500 (1.0-1.47)
Medium 300 to 400 (1.56-2.02)
Large 200 to 300 (2.11-2.57)    
Extra Large 100 to 200 (2.66-3.00)

Sight Distance conversion table
yards: Max View setting:
 218 = 1.00      Stock maps are:
 240 = 1.11                     Gap- Max View-Setting       
 260 = 1.20      Australia = 380 -  218  -  1.00   
 280 = 1.29      Black Forest = 380 -  218  -  1.00
 300 = 1.38      Georgia = 420 -  218  -  1.00
 320 = 1.47      Illinois = 380 -  218  -  1.00
 340 = 1.56      Oregon = 380 -  218  -  1.00
 360 = 1.65
 380 = 1.75
 400 = 1.84     
 420 = 1.93
 440 = 2.02
 460 = 2.11
 480 = 2.20
 500 = 2.29
 520 = 2.39
 540 = 2.48
 560 = 2.57
 580 = 2.66
 600 = 2.75
 620 = 2.84
 640 = 2.94
 650 = 3.00

Good info Jesse. What is the gap size and max view setting for the map we are using this week, and is there a way to tell? I am not a mapmaker.....lol

Mossy

The map for this week has a World Gap of 500 (small) and the site distance is set at 1.11 for a max view of 240 yards.  The map is within the settings that I would consider a tournament map. There is no way you can tell unless you make maps and use the editor to measure the game map width and setting to determine the World Gap size.  A map this hilly could have been set at say 1.29 to give you 280 yards of sight, at 1.11 it is a bit more challenging.  This map is good example that small maps can be a challenge and Weatherby did a good job making it.

Just make every map as large as possible with as many hills and trees possible..  WOW THAT SOUNDS LIKE GREAT FUN TO ME.

Mossyback I know very good real hunt, because I am and I was a real hunter for over 50 years and I can say you that I (and all) never go hunting with a .207 or with a .223. In real hunt is strictly prohibited hunting with that caliber. You're right JJ. The size doesn't count so much, it's the distance view that count. But that's only a game and should be fun, with realistic maps with open flats and some trees, like the IOWA map.  :) :)

I would rather not keep repeating the same issues but the fact is, we can't hunt Iowa every week. I too have hunted for over 50 years and I have yet to have a shot over 100 yds. because of the terrain. Many areas do not allow rifles at all because of population density. Some areas only allow shotguns or bows. If your hunting area is such that you can see for miles and use a tripod to take 500 yd shots, good for you. Everything can't be directed to what one or two people like. My point being, we all hunt the same map and use the same weapon if specified. This is how it should be, if this weeks map gives someone else a little advantage, good. Maybe next week it will be a map you like.

I don't want to say that Mossy. I was saying that in my country and in ll Europe this caliber and all bows are prohibited. But that's not the problem. And the max. distance shot i did i think it was 200 yards not more. Long Range hunting is prohibited, like the tripod. I was saying that IOWA is one of the original real places, with that flats and trees. :-\

Jesse has offered a common sense, logical solution to the map issue: but I think the problem is deeper than that. I have some suggestions for those who still aren't happy:

1. If you only know one tactic and it isn't working, find a new tactic or DON'T PLAY.

2. If you feel you "HAVE TO WIN" every week you have a problem, seek counseling and DON'T PLAY.

3. If you can't lose graciously and congratulate the person who beat you fairly, instead you whine, pout, and generally make a fool of yourself with "sourgrapes" and excuses. DON'T PLAY.

4. If there is a conflict between your work and the game, your work is more important. DON'T PLAY.

Finally, we can all learn a great lesson in life from this situation:
"THE SUN DON'T SHINE ON THE SAME DOG'S BUTT ALL THE TIME.....

I think I don't have one of this problems Mossy. I don't start this discussion, so my last thing is that now we hunt DH05 in 6 each week. In november or December we was more tha 10 every time, and there ws more challenging. http:///Forum/Smileys/default/

My last post was not directed at any one person, so please don't take it personally. As for the number of hunters, look to see who is missing and try to find out why. I think they all accept pms, ask them. Some got tired of seeing the same person win every week, I'm sure. Maybe that's why this map issue came up in the first place. DH04 and TH03 are down to two hunter's each week. Why? In the immortal words of Mick Jagger, "You Can't Always Get What You Want"....


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I think that DeerKileers is right. The question is how we can to make more players in hunt. I think this not to be happened with difficult conditions and maps. I don`t care how difficult is map or conditions, I have all the time in the world to play. I don`t like to be first among 6 people, I like to be 8 among 50 people. Then for me I will be winner. Who wants challenge  - take a spear and go to real hunt. The game should be pleasured for everyone. That is my opinion.


The discussion borne the true.

1.  There have always been complaints since the site started, about small maps and the fact that some will just keep reloading to find big deer. - Not everyone wants to hunt in that manner and if we always use small maps, then we are not being fair to the ones who want to participate and actually hunt.

2.  The number of hunters always fluctuates and a good number of them come and hunt a couple hunts, and see the same people win consistently, ask for big maps, not get it and leave.

3.  The only ones I have seen complaining about not using small maps, not having time to hunt, etc. etc., are hunters who are usually at the top of the results?  No Time?

4.  Hunting a larger map makes no difference, in fairness, if everyone is hunting the same map.

5.  The only people hurt by this are the map makers who have hours and hours in making small maps, that is why there will still be some small maps on occasion.

6.  There were only a few voters, compared to the number of registered users and only 25% of those users wanted small maps. The site is geared for everyone, not geared for a select few.

7.    The staff has a lot of time into this site, all of them!!!  We are not going to be known as a "Reloaders Site"